a disconnect between obama and his team. >> you think he looked presidential? >> yes. >> romney? >> no. >> romney looked way more presidential. >> obama looked like he wanted to have a serious debate. he wasn't interrupting jim lehrer. >> my favorite actually, too. but i took a second look. >> we had the same one. this is what i liked because i like people that are very organized and know what they're talk being and make -- romney loves a list and he had five things. he had it in memory. >> my plan has five basic parts. one, get us ingee independent, north america energy independent. that creates 4 million jobs. two, open up more trade, particularly in latin america. crack down on china if and when they cheat. number three, make sure our people have the skills they need to succeed. and the best schools in the world. we're far away from that now. number 4, get to us a balanced budget. number 5, champion small business. it's small business that creates the jobs in america. and over the last four years, small business people have decided that america may not be th